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Offline jod08

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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2018, 09:35:PM »
Since you most likely be able to race only on the second race of the day, my offer still stands of letting you suggest a car to be always the second race of the day.
By the way, did you have trouble joining yesterday? I was the host and my internet is not really the best.  23 down, 4 up

Sorry for the late response I have a new trainee at work thatís basically my shadow so I donít get much free time at work anymore. I didnít try to join on Thursday, I was having too much fun in the ford GTE at Spa. My input on the series would be to only do one championship in one car. As I said before there is only about 12 open wheelers on the game. So using 2 carís per season means you will run out faster. Also using two open wheelers with the possibility of adding a GT series to the group will then mean 3 cars per week to set up.  Also just a note after looking at the patch notes for patch 4 there will be changes made to the Formula C. Depending on how long the patch takes to hit the ps4 this might mean the changes hit mid-season.

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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2018, 01:00:AM »
The changes should happen in a 2-4 weeks I reckon. The FC is manageable you just need to spend a bit of time learning it, like any other car. In two practice races I could get within 2 secs of WR times in a 30min practice. Give it an hour that would be down to 1 sec or less as usual.

A one car make championship could be done with 2 races - have one championship that runs from quali on a longer race then a second race in the same car that starts reverse grid, with late starters always at the back. Reverse grids are easily managed in several ways with willing participants. I've seen the host call out the running order for rolling starts and others do standing grid starts by calling out target laptimes in quali. It's not too much effort.
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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2018, 01:27:AM »
I think itís just a case of picking something and get going ASAP captain.

Donít feel like you have to do something to fit me in being the odd ball here. Go with whatís best for everyone Iíll fit in when I can 👍

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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2018, 03:44:AM »
Sorry fellows, I have been so busy with at work.  I am deciding for a continuing dual format G40 and L72D season.  I believe in free set up.  Stability is out.  All other settings remain the same.  Laps on table are for the L72D.  I never driven the G40 but I believe is slower so either way the laps will be adjusted for it.  The first social is at Spa.  I will be making a promotional post in the Project Cars Forum and will be starting a championship thread tomorrow when I find the time.   In the meantime, here are the tables



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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2018, 11:08:AM »
Cool. The g40 gt5 is waaaay slower. The 72D seems to be more gt3 speed in corners, top speed and laptime ime.

Still had a go in g40 gt5 a few times and it's fun to drive. Not many setup options but I seem to remember getting it to drift round fast corners on setup.

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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2018, 01:31:PM »
Based on the online leader boards for P.Cars2 in the G40 GT5   
(http://cars2-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=1740968730&vehicle=0)

ALGARVE - 15
BRNO - 13
DUBAI GP - 13
DONINGTON PARK GP - 17
ZIC - 16
ZOLDER - 16
BRANDS HATCH GP - 18
IMOLA - 14

SPA - 11
NURBURGRING - 13
OULTON PARK - 16

edit: LOL  :eusa_think: I just checked and i am not convinced about the above info after seeing how many laps you have set for the lotus especially @ SPA  :shocked:
I take it you are sticking with a 30 min race and are you keeping mandatory pit stops? infact is there a way to limit when people can pit instead of the last lap of the race put a restriction on it say between +4 -4 of the total of laps unless you have damage? Its just a thought it might help keep the grid a bit tighter throughout the race. Also only using clear weather settings? Lol i had some of my best results from wet weather races in the gulf :sign0151:

 
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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2018, 02:49:PM »
I am comparing what you suggested for laps and it seems they are on average 1 lap less so maybe I will just do that.   The aim is for the race to last just under 30 minutes.  The pit stop I feel should remain uncontrolled for those that want to try undercuts, prevent pace loss due to traffic and damage.   In regards to weather, I am not sure if they fixed the condition where some drivers would experience a totally different weather and adhesion level; so I kept it clear.  I also read some wet weather tires act like slicks.

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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2018, 06:30:PM »
If the patch lands before season start and fixes the Live Track sync issue, go for weather in some of the latter events.
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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2018, 08:04:PM »
I am comparing what you suggested for laps and it seems they are on average 1 lap less so maybe I will just do that.   The aim is for the race to last just under 30 minutes.

Why not just set a 30 minute race? The number of laps won't be 100% predictable especially if you use safety cars so that could add variety to fuel load strategies - those who push the limit on fuel and those who don't. Personally hate that because I usually get it a bit wrong but then who doesn't!?

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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2018, 10:02:PM »

If the patch lands before season start and fixes the Live Track sync issue, go for weather in some of the latter events.
We can definitely do that.


Why not just set a 30 minute race? The number of laps won't be 100% predictable especially if you use safety cars so that could add variety to fuel load strategies - those who push the limit on fuel and those who don't. Personally hate that because I usually get it a bit wrong but then who doesn't!?

A safety car could have some people run low fuel set ups and would possibly allow some to incorporate it into their strategy but apparently, there was not enough buzz when I mentioned it that I left it out.    I suppose that a 30 minute limit would take care of trying to calculate number laps.   We can certainly test it out this Week.  Also, I am still open to have someone take charge of Wednesday to run whatever in a public setting. 

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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2018, 11:24:PM »
What did we all think of the GT5 ?

https://youtu.be/LHhKOqmRzR0

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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2018, 01:08:PM »
What did we all think of the GT5 ?

https://youtu.be/LHhKOqmRzR0

While the car is fun I think all your vid demonstrates is how the intricacies of PC2 interfere with close racing. From me suddenly understeering off in Blanchimont (having been comfortably flat every lap in quali, even on cold tyres) and getting a slow down penalty for it, to all the other people who had to slow due to penalties or were simply ignoring them and racking them up. I mean almost the entire field of what otherwise were seemingly clean respectful racers who didn't deliberately cheat or hit anyone. It soon spread the field out after 1 lap of what should've been a race-long slipstreaming battle.

I don't know if I had a different wind direction or strength to anyone else but I struggled through Eau Rouge every lap as well. It was a different car. I see you were struggling through Pouhon.

I'm losing patience with the PC2 experience. It's literally trying too be too clever for it's own good. PC1 was simpler and much better for racing even if the tyre physics were duff, you could compensate for that with practice.

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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2018, 03:23:PM »
The penalties did impact negatively on the overall experience IMHO.

I found with my setup & skills, a perfect rounding of La Source gained a ton of time but made a flat out run through Eau Rouge & holding through Raidllon not possible due to the heat & pressure generated in La Source and through Eau Rouge. If I backed off in Eau Rouge just a bit I could carry most of the time gain all the way to Les Combes. Though I was losing some of the gain all the way along Kennel.

I think small tire temp and pressure changes seemed to impact grip significantly once they stabilized. A little bit of slippage seemed to push these up just a bit and grip fell off when next you counted on it. Thus perfect execution one lap went as expected & a lap later things went dramatically different with the resultant penalty/slide etc.

I suspect with warmer track temps, grip would have been a real but more consistent issue & cooler with more grip and more consistent till you over cooked it by a greater margin.

I'm sure others with way more skill & experience can add more insight and correct errors in my above understanding.
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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2018, 11:06:PM »
Seeing as the GT5 is dropping in popularity massively (at least until patch 5 maybe) what about these as popular alternatives that are easy to drive?

BMW 320 TC - TC is next most popular to GT3's in public lobby.
G40J
Audi V8 quattro DTM - there's always a few GR.A public lobby races. Just tried it and it's easy, not too fast kinda like a big GT5.
Ford Escort RS1600 Racing
X-Bow GT4 is pretty easy to drive  - plenty of GT4 lobbies.

Or maybe one of the 4WD rally cross cars on a tarmac track?

Or popular alternatives like the Ford Falcon V8 Supercar. Hard to drive but no diff so not so much to be done on setup
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Re: Season after the John Surtees Cup
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2018, 09:23:PM »
There have been times in the past where I would try a particular change to bring in new drivers only to not pan out.  The idea of having selected the wrong car as companion to the Lotus would only be confirmed if we just go with the GT3 to finally prove it.
So lets do this week first the Lotus and then a GT3 race with ďsame classĒ set so they can use what ever they like and see how many join.  Does it sound like an idea?